You didnt give it a fair test! To which I reply that guns are tested in factory condition, and a gun that needs to be fixed before you can actually use it is a pretty piss poor gun. yep, just about all AKs have some contact of the rear trunnion with the carrier. Modeled after the iconic Kalashnikov rifle, the Russian semi-automatic VEPR-12 was specifically designed for law enforcement, military, and civilian professional competition. Its a shotgun, anything more than a brass bead and youre over thinking your shot. In some cases you need to fire a bunch of higher power ammo before the cheep stuff will run good. First off ditch the SGM mag. There has been a lot of talk about these magazines having "burrs" in them fromthe mold causin issues (i had this problem personally). | Disclaimer. The vast majority of VEPR12 shotguns work fine, it's just a couple percent which have been reported to be having these issues. That is, the bolt locks to the rear of the receiver after the last round has been ejected. Hence the fat portion of the piston. Its not like an AR-15 where you can manually set the bolt open without the magazine if that is what you are referring too. I have fired several hundreds of rounds with my Folding Stock, VEPR 12. I tried one yesterday, and again today, and I shot some old Winchester light target loads that are rated 2 3/4 drams with 1 1/8 oz loads. the gas piston threaded into the bolt carrier has a little play in it side to side where it actually threads into the bolt carrier. Wanted to obtain a collapsible Cycling the action by hand, it doesnt seem rough, in fact, my WASR-10 which is completely reliable has a much grittier, noiser action. Make your guide rod upgrade quick and painless! Does anyone know if the 20-shot drum magazine (for instance for Saiga) operates with this Molot Vepr? Looks like a dismantle and deep clean is in order for this thing. I find the Vepr 12 section and start a new thread. Shannon seems like a straight shooting guy who is honest and easy to work with. I feel fine with my Mossberg 590 for home defense and it only holds 5 rounds. and if possible side folding stock, but most of available options required a special adaptor. This review is full of inaccurate information. same concept as the ar15 and ak47, lots of loaded mags and fire away, amazing with Pumpkin shoots! Slim Fit Leather Jackets is an online store that sells jackets for men and women with free shipping all over the world! Early American export models have no muzzle brake and have a fixed stock rather than a folding stock. Total Length: 42 in / 1070 mm. My Saiga 12 works flawlessly if I have the gas adjusted correctly. VEPR 12 Shotgun Good or Bad? Oh, and the best part: The bolt is held open after the last round fires. I have an aimpoint M2 on mine. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Its much more convenient and a lot quicker to reload. I might cut my house in half, but there is no way in hell anybody is leaving that place alive. An unusual feature among firearms in the Kalashnikov family, the Vepr-12 sports a last round bolt hold-open mechanism. Call me vain, but my second reason for buying a gun after having a use for it is aesthetics. The V12 will go for many more rounds without breaking than most pump guns will. Also considered potential liability at trial. A side folding stock is present on most models; however, Vepr-12 shotguns are offered with fixed stocks as well. Capacity: 4+1 Chamber: 3" / 76 mm. I second the Wally world suprema ammo. Saiga-12.com Corporation Pasted as rich text. If you want to shoot the lower end of the range, try one of the CSS springs. Your link has been automatically embedded. I thought about the annoyance of trying to load magazines (cant leave them loaded for years on end or the springs get even less reliable), rock & lock, and engage an intruder Id have to ask for a time out and heaven forbid the darn thing jams as sometimes happened at the range. My favorite light load is the Remington game load which is 3 1/4 drams and 1 oz load at 1290 fps. I hope that some of this information will help those of you out there who are having problems similar to mine. October 8, 2014 in Vepr-12. got question how many atf going strp down one these just see ifi it complinant. I took the Vepr back to the gun range using only the stock magazine and with the gun lubricated. Their new loads are badass. Some SGM 10-12 rounders have had issues sticking because of some leftover material inside that needs to be smoothed out. Why arent top 3 gun shooters using it? I mean if the stock has been welded open it would mean that straight from the factory it was intended to fold but was welded for some legal reasons. buy-ak47 If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. I think the best point in this review is what do you use it for? Id hate to be the test case, but it seems likely that if anything, the test case would likely be a pretext prosecution (i.e. Had some MD 20 round drums and standard factory 5 rounds. Then of course the possibility of violating firearms laws in a different state. Hopefully Ill have a great running Vepr 12!!!! One thing I noticed that was left out of the review that is worth mentioning. Not to mention your problems are things that others (such as Tim over on MAC) love, and Im thinking Nick just hates the idea of an AK shotgun period and will find any excuse to bash them. I've been running low brass with no problems (of course I did swap the trigger because the factory one was unreliable for me and I also polished the bolt face and the hammer), just stay within these ammo specs: http://doitdarith.com/temp/vepr12/wolfammo12gaugevepr12.html. So,wouldnt it be embarassing to be the 1st person to be done in by it? If it does not release the follower and let it return to its resting position. If you don't give a it good back stop, you can cause the FTE's. I had some problems with the SGM Tac. Description THIS IS JUST THE SLEEVE - REPLACE YOUR WORN OUT SLEEVE Inconsistencies of the Saiga Guide Rod/Recoil Assembly are a problem due to how it flexes and can jam your gun and not allow it to cycle easily. Ok, then which semi-auto magazine fed shotgun are you comparing it to? And yes, as the previous reviews said, not the same as a Saiga, this has auto adjust gas and can fire various types of loads from the same magazine or from magazine to magazine. Yet I do not like the embargoes pertaining to Russia or China as it really only adversely effects respective citizens in both countries as well as the U.S..Now, transferring high-tech military type technology I get. I had TWO 930 SPXs and BOTH choked on everything I fed them. Im no gunsmith or engineer or nothing like that but just visually judging by the internals design i figure the tip of the gas piston inserts into the cavity inside the puck once a round is chamberedgotta be tough with 1cm worth of play in the actual piston. New from Wolf: Optics and Night Vision Sights. It has failures to eject. I would dissemble the trigger and see if anything is out of place with that area first. Trench clearing. My long saga was over. About 5 min with a dremmel and you can add a little more value to your gun, of course you should always .make the gun 922r compliant first. best-place-to-buy-guns And, since my kids all sleep upstairs, I can simply keep the weapon at less than horizontal + 15 degrees and they are totally safe. Sometimes those things find their ways into the wrong hands. Theres always a risk for it, but its hard to say how bad it would be. Make sure to subscribe to our channel for more!\r\rFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/mistergunsdotcom\r\rInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/mistergunsdotcom\r\rWebsite: https://misterguns.com/ I find the Vepr 12 section and start a new thread. Powered by Invision Community, Problems cycling low brass with my VEPR12. The Saiga-12 costs about $610 these days, and this gun retails for nearly twice that much. I get lots of help. Later models included a fully functional folding stock. The most I was able to get all day were 4 rounds through it without a malfunction. While I get the point the 922r Law is stupid, stay safe and dont give them anything to hang you with. I will be doing a conversion on it in the future so for now I will stick with the 5 round mags until it meets 922R. Shooting slugs from this shotgun was an absolute breezeI was actually able to double tap quite frequently. You cannot paste images directly. There are a lot of internet experts out there. I get that the Russians suck and always will pertaining to their foreign policy as well as their Red Brethren China. Showing up without them; likely. This is the best shotgun for the money, a lot easier to reload than filling a tube magazine. I took a picture of the trunnion and rear of the carrier after cleaning to show the amount of wear due to contact. I saw the MAC review of it though where he had malfunctions with the hulls hitting the optic though. I keep my nose clean when 922R is concerned. You might have better luck with the 3 1/4 dram eq row of the chart. For that reason, why would they go to the trouble of polishing and beautifully machining their internals when they don't need to. This thing isnt replacing any of them so maybe Ill keep it maybe I wont. In the buttstock there is shock-absorbing system and T6 hard anodized aluminum buffer tube. It should be solid as a rock, but we will need you to post a video or multiple pics showing the amount of play you are speaking of. The dreaded AK-47 *assault* shotgun, thankyouverymuch. Ultimately, you will have to go through the trouble shooting process yourself, but if you run out of options with no luck, consider Cobra's Custom and their professional polishing job. I wanted to use the worst possible ammo I could find and sure enough, I did. Then take out the two screws that hold down the tang. I rarely loan money to friends unless I have no intention of ever having it paid back. It must be bliss. I started out with a 12 round magazine of #8 birdshot, remington low brass. First on the list of gripes is the safety. i know the v12 has its self regulating gas system in which its basically supposed to be able to handle all types of rounds, and i also know that some weapons need a "break in period" to be properly evaluatedbut, from the people ive talked to who are familiar with actual kalashnikovs, im told there isnt supposed to be any play in the gas piston itselfand thats the only explanation i can come up with for this FTE issue. I was looking for a buttstock for my Vepr 12 Molot. Ive seen them at atlantic firearms and classic firearms for $999. Cmaro21. Considering that standard OOB over penetrates at 1325 FPS for HD purposes, and has a ratty pattern, 1600 FPS would seem a move in the wrong direction. The other point is gun is great COMBAT gun for which it was designed. My gas puc is right, but I'm glad my gas tube and spacing look OK because that is what I was worried about. With the cheek pad in place I couldnt get a good sight picture, and with it removed I couldnt get any kind of cheek or even chin weld on the stock. Visit Our Site and Get Your Favorite Actors or Actresses Outfits now at the best prices. Of course I am a tooth expert and not an expert on guns. All Rights Reserved. I got some great help from 505Fire from Vepr.org. Inconsistencies of the factory VEPR 12 & SAIGA 12 Guide Rod/Recoil Assembly are well known. It jammed every time. Witness us get knocked around a bit by the power of this 12 gauge shotgun. Better to have more pellets and a little less penetration which is what you get with a normal 15 pellet magnum load. I have a few 10 round stick mags and a 20 round drum. Ratings are relative to all other similar firearms. In the old stone quarry, I ran five loads through the VEPR-12 for patterning at 15 yards. What do you use it for? You can post now and register later. One of them was a little bit shitted up. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. But a fun range gun with 20 round drums. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. After a detailed search ive found this option from Israeli company Fab-Defence: http://www.idf-tactical.com/Buttstocks/ShotgunsStocks/M4-VEPR-FKSB. Ive gone up and down and read all these idiotic comments on how the muzzle brake wont do anythingmy god, people on here are retards. I dont see the Vepr as much of an improvement. Classic Firearms just put these on sale for $799/shipped. Is over-penetration what it is supposed to do? Then I looked at my ugly but 100% reliable $200 Mossberg 500 with 8 rounds and a wood stock. The VEPR-12 is definitely an improvement over the Saiga-12, but as far as I can tell its still a solution looking for a problem. . It sure has hell seems like a lot of people commenting on here have never even handled a Vepr 12. Go grab some decent buckshot and slugs and run about 20 or so through the gun to make sure it is broken in. Off topic Dres, bit i looked at the list you posted and had a proud "Team America, Fuck Yeah" moment. It did make contact but nothing out of the ordinary from what I can tell. First, there are four (4) ratings before the overall. I work from a home office in my basement. I've compiled the 12 gauge 2 2/3" shells for your reference: http://www.doitdarith.com/temp/vepr12/wolfammo12gaugevepr12.html. But i WILL b racking the hell outta that sgm mag once i get home because the issue seems to be alot worse with the sgm. Loans no. It came with the fixed stock. VEPR 12 issues. Seems interesting. The gun had no problems in cycling 00 buck in either 2- or 3-inch shells. The price for the basic package is about $210 which honestly seemed a little pricey at first, but I was at my wits end with this gun and decided to pull the trigger as it were. i know the The safety on the m1 rifle and several other firearms is in the trigger gaurd. best point this is ohio man was open carry a gun wich is leagle police detain him with out cause orther then the gun they found he can sue the state and police. Modifying it goes sort of against the whole straight-out-of-the-box concept. Oh. The feed mod is first. Others online claim that this fixed their cycling issues, but it did nothing for me. All you need to do is remove the walnut stock. is this normal? Although the slide release is inside the trigger guard, you have to put your finger behind the trigger and push quite hard to release. But it was a fun range gun. i would like to see an update to the review considering 800 is the new price.. +1 I suppose that makes sense for hogs though. Its pretty much always the same malfunction. The only slugs I run now are the Brenneke. Instead of the traditional stock theres a skeletonized tubular stock and a pistol grip. I think for what it is not priced bad at all. I have thought about using it to hunt with in the future as I can buy 2 round mags. Often guns need to be "broken in" before they function properly. I own Vepr-12 shotgun and the it has a last round bolt open feature. Good tip menace! Also, like the IZ-433, the gas block lacks a screw in gas adjuster. The flexing and binding of the captured OEM assemblies can rob your system of the efficiency needed to cycle the gun properly. Your piston rod play room looks fine, but I would call and verify with the importer (or pm papazorro or evlblkwpnz or tac47) and send him a link of your video as well. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. No complaints thus far. Thats what I thought. You can adjust, but shooting at different distances will be an issue.. I swapped the furniture on my VEPR 12 (slant cut, thumbhole stock) and ever since then I've had some issues with trigger reset. lol. Give them the right sponsorship contract and they would be using it. That skeleton stock is actually a left hand folding that has been pinned open due to 922r. I put all this on before even firing a single shot and then took her to the range. Pretty much a must have. I considered giving it to a friend for safekeeping but everyone knows how that goes. This review doesnt mention what it did shooting target rounds like in 3 gun. You have entered an incorrect email address! But for home defense, I just grab the Vaquero or the Glock 21 or the Mossberg and I feel fine with that. My Turkish Hatsan's also required some work for