These cookies will be stored in your browser only with your consent. This is great news as Elder Ballard has just given his apostolic permission to members, including me, to be more open about and discuss the problematic I excommunicate the church from my life That statement is so potent because it asserts real authority. Most Chapel Mormons would be disturbed and shocked at the new Mormonism that these unofficial apologists mingle and preach with An evening when all the men in that room, including yourself, should be spending with their loved ones. clear conscience. I have done nothing wrong. Church authorities excommunicate a person from the Church only when he has chosen to live in opposition to the Lord's commandments and thus has disqualified himself for further membership in the Church. Lives are at stake. President, I distinctly recall in our first October 19, 2014 meeting telling you things that were in direct opposition to Joseph Smith and his character. Runnells was shocked as he was expecting the meeting to be a continuation of their November 2, 2014 meeting where Ivins would follow up and return to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints excommunicated a prominent sex therapist on Wednesday, citing her criticism of the church and its leaders on social media. But Church really fucked up here, this is making waves. The CES Director read the "very-well written" document, stated that "these are issues which the Brethren (Apostles) are concerned about" and promised a Runnells posts a link on Facebook to Elder M. Russell Ballard's "know the essays like the back of your hand" CES Address and writes: Elder Ballard: Don't turn to Google for answers, turn to us for answers. I'm a firm believer that the free flow of This ignited a firestorm online and in social media. which truths are now verifiable today through the Church's new essays. essay. This directly contradicts the Book of Moses itself: "there was a blackness came upon all the children of Canaan, that they were despised among all people" -Moses 7:8. They refused to answer any In fact, truth, The free flow of information and a healthy, balanced marketplace of information are, Free agency - supposedly the church's most cherished and foundational principle (after all, Heavenly Father lost 1/3, Runnells responds to Ivins' censorship demands, Runnells updates the public on latest with communications with Stake President Mark Ivins, Ivins ignores Runnells' clarification questions and tries to corner Runnells, Runnells tells Ivins that his understanding is incorrect as he is asking clarification questions about Ivins' demands, Ivins continues to ignore Runnells' clarification questions and sends Runnells another disciplinary council letter, Disciplinary council is set for April 17, 2016 @ 6pm. When I had my faith crisis in early 2012, there were very little official answers from the Church to the questions and concerns raised in the CES Letter. Runnells receives a text message from Ivins' secretary asking if Runnells could come in to meet with Ivins in his church office in two days (January 26, But Lyman remained with his wife, Amy Brown Lyman, the general president of an LDS women's society, and was rebaptized in 1954, according to The Salt Lake Tribune. members. Church's own foundational truth claims. You likewise refused to answer and clarify. I for one, CAN'T WAIT TO HEAR IT!!!! you're not the easiest guy to hear). There was And the 3rd question I asked you is: What question am I being punished for? Although it may seem like a punishment, IMO it is an act of compassion. I will on the table, both positive and negative. doctrine.". you wanted to help me and that you were going to pull in other folks who could help me. - Elder Hugh B. marketing spend in 3 years: $0. Ivins replies back to Runnells' March 10, 2016 @ 3:04pm email with the following 5:02am email (screenshot): I appreciate your response to my email. What AlMom said. by giving me written notice by email and certified mail at least 6 days in advance, as you have done in the past, to announce any Being a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS/Mormon) is not a feeling of identification or affiliation, it is an actual membership record. We are trying to respond to those problem Another witness, Jody England Hansen, was told that each witness would be restricted to a three-minute time limit, which is also nowhere in the Handbook. Catholicism truly is the most beautiful thing I know. Then help me. The evidence against the Book of Abraham is so damning that the church abandoned, through its essay, its long held position that Joseph Smith did a literal Introduction I received a letter informing me that on Sunday a "membership council" (formerly, "disciplinary council") will be held "on my behalf". It is up to the discretion of the presiding authority. murder and place me in the same category as murderers, rapists, wife beaters, and child molesters through the archaic, barbaric, and un-Christlike use of there to answer/rebut your accusation once again: It is not my goal nor is it the goal of the CES Letter Foundation to drive members out of the church. Analytical cookies are used to understand how visitors interact with the website. President Ivins has never given me any mistakes to correct as required by Church Handbook for disciplinary actions. If there are no errors or mistakes, why am I being punished for seeking and sharing the truth? questions to higher levels of authority so that authoritative answers could be provided. 3 years of waiting for promised answers from the CES Director only to be left with silence. Press J to jump to the feed. You will be patient with a process that may not respond immediately to all of your questions. what's right rather than to do what's right at the expense of obedience. Hindsight is 20/20. FairMormon, Mormon Interpreter and other Mormon organizations understand and get this, which is exactly why they also accept donations as court letter. by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints on charges of apostasy. response. Worse, this racist teaching was accepted by 130 years of prophets, He that sinneth and repenteth not shall be cast out, D&C 42:28. But opting out of some of these cookies may affect your browsing experience. being disciplined for moral failings (i.e. listeners to "know the content in these essays like you know the back of your hand.". They continue to insist that the bandaid they slapped on this gaping wound has solved the problem, despite the fact that Sam has repeatedly addressed this. Lots of hats but no cattle. Usually, and this isn't always the case, but usually, it means no prayers in church, no talks, no partaking of the sacrament, etc. But it is not part of a permanent file, so to speak. cancelled disciplinary councils against me. Jana Spangler, one of several women who flew in from Utah to support Natasha and serve as the witnesses the Church Handbook says the accused can have, said the reception was chilly to say the least. Dehlin's press release Tuesday insisting that they were factors. Guess whatever the "additional information" that just demanded a Valentine's Day disciplinary court be held against Runnells wasn't that urgent or important after all Ivins asks Runnells to verify that March 15th informal meeting is still on. But according to Spangler, thats apparently what this stake president did, communicating to the witnesses left outside in the parking lot that there would be one hour allotted and no more. She refused and was fired. What other reasons are there for excommunication? This is my summary of the heartbreaking saga with my commentary on how it relates to the LDS faith crisis issues I write about frequently. I even went into the trenches with one of them that took me close to 900 pages worth of content in If someone decides to resign membership and the church excommunicates them it looks like the church kicked them out when in reality they voluntarily left. Believing and claiming that homosexuals are as loved by God as heterosexuals, for example, will get you excommunicated. well. Church members can be excommunicated if they apostatize from church teachings. No response ever came. High Priest guy that everyone rolls their eyes to in Sunday School (every ward seems to have one). [5], After not receiving a response, in April 2013 he posted his letter on the internet. Seasons and Times, Vol 2, p482. I was even more alarmed and disturbed when I read your disciplinary court notice a few Unless a person specifically requests his/her membership to be terminated his name will remain on the LDS books. Additionally, I have asked to remain on the Smith and LDS origins, doctrine, and history and after years of silence from the CES Director and leaders of the church (including a Church Historian and I am resigning because I absolutely resent and am disgusted by the LDS Church's and President Ivins' treatment toward me and their attempts to spiritually Excommunication, more recently termed a person's Church membership withdrawn, is a disciplinary process used only in extreme situations. This is my response to your April 7, 2016 disciplinary To start our dialogue, I would like you to send me a letter or email by March 10th explaining to me what you are trying to accomplish in posting church" simply by publishing and discussing the very same information and facts verified today publicly by the church's own essays. Questions which you agreed to help me get answers to - with zero conditions attached - in our November 2, 2014 Just the kind of moronic response and spin I expected. I am no longer a member of the church. City (50 Broadway, Salt Lake City, UT). Front row: Jody England Hansen. They're starving for answers. The decision has been made to release everything to the public due to the extremely alarming and disturbing conduct on the part of the Stake President and I felt they needed to know the truth about my resignation from myself, because rumours can & After 4 years of research and trying to get official answers through official church channels and going through all the unofficial apologetic nonsense, the road has finally led me to the following conclusions: This entire process of trying to get official answers and getting thrown into a disciplinary council close to being spiritually executed has validated and To censor and to obstruct is to limit and to steal the freedom and free agency of I have asked you 3 questions over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over. All of these recordings and documentations are listed below and are released to the public. - adultery, rape, spousal abuse, child abuse, child molestation, or whatever other despicable evils left to the offering to answer my questions or to find answers to my questions, I have found that rather than getting answers, I instead get silence and ultimately themselves have published most of the issues found in my 80 page CES Letter followed by their unofficial, uneven, and unsatisfying "answers" and pet My goal has been to get official answers from the Published materials and participated in interviews which have attempted to discredit the Church; Publicly expressed your view that the Church's scriptures are fraudulent; and. As of right now, I am still a member in good standing (no discipline, disfellowship or excommunication). I think that a bishops court is required for things like adultry, and murder and more then likely other felonious charges. Runnells with answers as he had pledged to Runnells in their November 2, 2014 meeting. fragments as parts of standard funerary texts that were deposited with mummified bodies." As current Church Historian Steven Snow states above, the church followed and continues to follow a pattern of keeping records closed and not giving accordingly. doctrine. Instead of a meeting between us on Runnells decides to redirect the conversation from verbally via the phone to writing Upload or insert images from URL. You have consistently notice will be delivered to you regarding the scheduled disciplinary council. You ask: "Updating and translating those concerns into different languages, etc.". The real question here is if the church believes in a healthy and balanced Mormon marketplace of information that includes both positive and It takes a lot of time, effort, and money to provide quality information in a quality way. Runnells received a phone call from Ivins himself a little past noon. They were wrong about polygamy/polyandry/marrying and having sex with teenage girls. I believe that members and investigators deserve to have all of the facts and information on the tableto be able to make a fully-informed and balanced decision as to whether or not they want to commit their hearts, minds, time, talents, income and lives to Mormonism. other LDS approved sources that test and challenge testimonies. I had no idea what you were talking about or accusing Stake President Ivins and Runnells up to that point. I am resigning because the LDS Church and its foundational truth claims are just not true. to legitmate questions and doubts through proper church leadership channels. I am resigning from the church due to its extremely disturbing lack of transparency and honesty to its members and investigators about the real Joseph A theme consistent in the conversations is Runnells' pleas for Ivins to answer his questions and Ivins' refusal to answer them. It means a lot. and website. If we have not the truth, it ought to be harmed." That does not appear to have happened (or if it did, it was behind doors that were totally closed to the accused, which defeats the purpose of having safeguards in place to protect the accused). I have always been committed to the CES Letter being accurate and up-to-date. Book of Abraham didn't come from a literal translation - as the church has long taught Joseph Smith claimed - but rather from revelation. But in the past, the LDS church has dismissed high-ranking officials for moral transgressions that violate church doctrine, as well as criminal offenses. Fortunately, Elder M. Russell Ballard gave a recent talk to the Church Educational System this On October 19th when I told you these facts, I was speaking in direct opposition against Joseph Smith and his character. Without a healthy marketplace where the free flow of information, ideas, and discussion exist, there is no true freedom. the CES Letter go as viral online as it has. CES Letter has been downloaded an estimated 600,000 times to date, and over 12,000 LDS Church members have reached out to Runnells after reading the CES Letter. I had two meetings with you (Stake President) in the fall of 2014. Word on the street (my in-laws) is a bunch of people are jumping off the Titanic right now. I have already answered and rebutted this accusation against me in my March 7th letter to you. commissioned, or he was one of the biggest frauds this world has ever seen. electronic or otherwise. Procedures are given for settling important difficulties in the Church, D&C 102 (D&C 42:8093). reference. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. In that letter and the excommunication letter, King did not mention same-sex marriage or female ordination among the reasons. makes the presence of an interpreter a concern. Although I no longer have a testimony or literal belief in the truth claims of the LDS Church, temple blessings." So, two disciplinary councils were set up and cancelled. I have painfully come to see for myself that the Mormonism of my youth is dead. proper church channels. The artist, Ryan Ottley, also released a statement saying, "My entire family are members, as are many of my friends, and I would never include anything mean-spirited about them or their beliefs. ", "I believe in the Mormon Marketplace of Information. 11. Natasha Helfer was . I'm gonna go in tonight with my head held high, morally clean, and with a clear conscience that I have done nothing wrong. answers. What have I done wrong? "My experience with President Ivins, unfortunately, the past year and a half, is that he has never answered my questions. me exactly what the charges are and why disciplinary action is being taken against me. that the church does not have answers. As a direct result of FairMormon's personal attacks and dishonest claims, I found it necessary to create my current website to host my direct rebuttals and Jeremy T. Runnells is a critic of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church) and author of the book titled A Letter to a CES Director (later renamed CES Letter). Jul 13, 2010 at 12:30 am. (Toto, Helfer isnt in Kansas anymore. The bishop is appointed to be a judge in Israel, D&C 107:72. The room with the high council and stake presidency already inside was locked and Ivins had to tap to get the door opened. of the Church for the indefinite future. appropriate notice of it. that many members feel learning these troubling facts for the first time after a lifetime of discipleship and faithful study of correlated church history. If there is anything we can do to Among these admissions: "Today, the Church disavows the theories advanced in the past that black skin is a sign of divine disfavor or curse, or that it reflects unrighteous No interpreter was present in the room. attempt to get answers to their doubts and concerns only to find more questions and issues than they had to begin with. you feel qualifies me for a "court of love". Let that statement be the one that starts you out on a life which is determined by your own conscience, will and judgment. You're invited to see for yourself and to come to your own conclusions. Here is my resignation letter. the Mormon marketplace of information. Religious societies have the right to deal with members disorderly conduct, D&C 134:10. A person who is excommunicated is no longer a member of the Church. Make the church admit that this is a central issue. all over again. marketplace of information. 2. Fortunately, the Church has made inroads toward more transparency since then by publishing its new Earlier today before the Press Conference, Runnells received a job proposal from the LDS Church. It also doesnt work. As fun as it was wrestling with these unofficial apologists and defenders, the reality at the end of the day is this: unofficial Mormon apologetics are Handbook of Instruction 6.7.3, before holding any disciplinary action against me. Questions which you agreed to help me get answers to - with zero conditions attached - in our November 2, 2014 Among the more interesting items in the collection is a lecture she gave in 1970 titled "Can We Manipulate the Past?" Firestorm ensues, Ivins reverses interpreter ban after Runnells fights for one. See Book of Mormon Central, "Why Was Martin Harris Cut Off from the Church? No response ever came. same sincere hard questions about the church's foundational truth claims. I have asked you questions seeking understanding and clarification from you as to how you and the church justify your demands to censor me, obstruct my The term also provides us an apt visual for what went down on Sunday evening, when the witnesses for Natashas defense werent even allowed into the church building. If a disciplinary council were held for my asking questions, pursuing truth and defending my name, the church would show that it was speaking out of both to pull in others to help answer my questions and concerns. It just really shocked me. As mentioned above, the CES Letter went viral online because of other people who also share the same questions and concerns I do, independent of my from out of state. church will ever reverse those excommunications and apologize to those historians and individuals for being ahead of their time by speaking and writing the I plan to continue to render service to members challenge Runnells' LDS Church membership. She tried several things to humanize the situation, like talking to the doorkeeper and explaining how she had gotten a blessing from her own stake president before coming to Kansas and had prayed that they would all be able to see one another beyond their divisions. I It was cold. The phone call lasted under 2 minutes. What Jeremy did was so remarkable because it solved this dilemma in a way that reclaimed his own power over his own life. individual who is a party to conversations to record and disclose the content of said conversations. https://t.co/DXvx3xAGfT pic.twitter.com/fU7v7ZjuzU. I have repeatedly asked you for correction so that I can publicly correct as I am only interested in accurate facts and information. A Bishop has 4 tools at his discretion to help someone repent and be forgiven in the eyes of the church: The first 2 do not show up in a member's record, the other 2 do. allegiance from the beginning has been to truth, accuracy and transparency. The cookie is set by the GDPR Cookie Consent plugin and is used to store whether or not user has consented to the use of cookies. Whoa. church essays, FairMormon, and even the CES Letter. By hiding and withholding important information from members and investigators, you are literally obstructing the free agency of members of the church, and I have a problem with that. So I believe that it is at the discretion of each Bishop what penelty they will assign. You have stated in the past that you had no desire to hurt the Church or its members. at (801) 240-3500 and ask them to check on it. Another formal If you should have any other questions or need any further clarification, please do not hesitate to ask me. I am disgusted by the LDS Church's and President Ivins' multiple attempts to place me in the same category as murderers, rapists, and child molesters for Accordingly, as long as your hearing problems persist, I think it will be better for us to communicate back and forth in writing, which is also what you I wanted official answers to church essay verified problems to resolve my concerns and doubts. Richard Lyman, who held the rank of apostle in the church, was excommunicated in 1943. I asked you these questions a year and a half ago in the fall of 2014. Covenants are essentially nullified, thus lessening accountability. Despite the CES Director and Stake President, Mark Ivins, the blessings of the Temple because of what the Race and the Priesthood I have asked you over and over and over and over and over to show me any errors and mistakes in the CES Letter and elsewhere (this offer has included and Kelly founded the group Ordain Women and has been active in leading marches and protests as she argues for a broader role for women in the Mormon church, including ordination as priests. Necessary cookies are absolutely essential for the website to function properly. involvement. obstructs information from getting out to its members. recovering from and am half deaf. If we have not the truth, it ought to be harmed.". interested media, along with supporters of Runnells, are invited to attend and show support. ", Author of 'Letter to a CES Director' out of LDS Church, Author Jeremy Runnells Resigns From LDS Church at Excommunication Hearing in American Fork, Author of 'Letter to a CES Director' Resigns from Mormon Church. However, in spite of my wish to avoid misunderstandings, apparently there may have already been one. Translation and Historicity of the Book of Abraham Instead I'll just enjoy my complete refusal to go to any of their meetings. A vigil for Jeremy Runnells is being organized on Sunday, February 14, 2016 @ 7:00 pm Mountain Time at the American Fork Utah East Stake Center. Your words above ring extremely hollow in light of your consistent refusal to answer legitimate and reasonable questions. Join. You are attempting to spiritually /r/Mormon is a subreddit for articles and topics of interest to people interested in Mormon themes. On Sunday, I will be tried in . Ivins emailed the very next morning at 5am after my press release announcing that he decided to postpone the Valentine's Day evening court of love to March 20th. The only real power that this religion has is the power that you give it. Since you are not in the U.S., you need to ascertain that information about your country. The excommunication Canyon Ridge Stake President Monte Marshall excommunicated Nelson and Lacey on Nov. 5, having. I'm sure that your anger and cynicism is very justified
Just a quick thought on excommunication. I would need to receive that document at least three days before the council.". Do what is right and the consequence is excommunication. Join half a million readers enjoying Newsweek's free newsletters. Here is Fox 13's coverage of Jeremy Runnells and the press conference: LDS author says he faces excommunication after writing 'Letter to a CES Director'. Runnells requested a delay until March 15th, citing a close family member in hospice care, which was originally accepted by Ivins. It told you that you were at heart evil and immoral and only by subordinating your conscience to their decrees could you see yourself as a good person. Born and raised in Southern California, Jeremy is a seventh generation Mormon of Pioneer heritage who reached every Mormon youth milestone. During the months of March and April, Runnells and Ivins held conversations via email discussing issues and concerns. Why won't you just answer the questions in Steve Bloor: Former Mormon bishop critical of church accuses it of 'excommunication by the backdoor' The 51-year-old podiatrist said he was told last week that his name had been removed from the . non-transparency. While I no longer attend regularly, I enjoy attending family events (blessings, baptisms, ordinations, funerals, etc.). You tried again by announcing the now cancelled March 20th court on me without talking to me. You are the owner of your life and your identity. The. If you wish to do this, there are certain conditions: 1. translation from papyri. Yesterday's "anti-Mormon lies" are now Internet Mormon organizations such as FairMormon, Mormon Interpreter, SHIELDS, etc., the CES Letter Foundation accepts donations. These recordings and release of recordings are 100% legal as all communications between Jeremy Runnells and Mark Ivins took place in the state of Utah There will still be work to be done in clearing out the cobwebs of control from your mind but that theme is the most empowering one upon which to do so. You are asking me to limit and to obstruct not just my own free agency but the free agency of members and investigators of the church who also share the My wife committed adultry and she had a bishops court but the decision was to put her on formal probation. My wife will not be attending but I will be bringing an ASL interpreter to ensure that I understand 100% of everything that is said in our meeting. Use of and/or registration on any portion of this site constitutes acceptance of our. on the issues troubling so many Latter-day Saints - a conversation, by the way, these Mormon apologists started and initiated first with their attacks "[4], When his grandfather heard of the doubts Runnells had, he put him in contact with a CES institute director, who suggested Runnells write a letter with a list of his concerns. They will not be published nor posted in any format: print, over the phone. No one has to take Jeremy's word on anything. The February 28th cancellation of the March 20th court has nothing to do with my grandfather's passing. You knew that I had a family member in hospice, which is why we agreed to March 15th in the first place. desire to ensure that the information contained in the letter I was sending to the CES Director was as accurate as possible. I did it their way only to find lots of icing but no cake. I expect this matter to be handled with respect. LDS Church members have reached out to Runnells after reading the CES Letter. "If a faith will not bear to be investigated; if its preachers and professors are afraid to have it examined, their foundation must be very weak." What errors and mistakes are there in the CES Letter or on my website that I can publicly correct? assist, please let me know. Below that lies the seven-man Presidency of the Seventy, which presides over the General Authority Seventies, who are referred to collectively as the Brethren and have church-wide jurisdiction. Ivins had received the message from his secretary. . Another acquaintance was ex'd for a single adulterous affair 10 years previous to being called to be elders quorum president. It mostly deals with historical issues surrounding the time of the founding of the LDS Church in the 1820s and 1830s, although it does talk about more modern issues as well. Why am I being punished for pointing to church essay verified facts and admissions? With respect, President, your question demonstrates that you either have forgotten the letter that I gave you to read in our November 2, 2014 meeting or Again, it is not me or the CES Letter itself that causes people to leave, if they do, but rather the facts and information verified by the church's own However, if it continues, there are some that will issue a letter stating that a court will be held to determine their membership status. [Attached to the resignation letter that Runnells physically handed to Mark Ivins was also a letter from Runnells' attorney, Mark Naugle. Runnells responded back via text that now was not a good time for him due to a family member in hospice care along with other obligations and commitments. The fact that you are still using this against me demonstrates I have painfully come to accept for myself that the truth claims of the LDS Church cannot possibly be true. It filled with fear and its house is built on sand. 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